tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post6079830435667963257..comments2024-03-28T02:22:35.857-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: New Old LIberal Bishop is Worried by the Immemorial Mass of All AgesTancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-24670070288811973992018-04-04T05:58:29.564-07:002018-04-04T05:58:29.564-07:00He is a liberal who uses the same theology as the...He is a liberal who uses the same theology as the sedevacantists and traditionalists.<br /><br />APRIL 4, 2018<br />Trad+Cath+Forum Responsibles in mortal sins of faith, need to go for Confession : common error among Catholics <br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/tradcathforum-respinsibles-in-mortal.htmlCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-87768891824275610682018-04-03T19:12:30.457-07:002018-04-03T19:12:30.457-07:00Someone needs to repent for nominating him and ord...Someone needs to repent for nominating him and ordaining him to the episcopate. TSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-84312096718419765862018-04-02T04:58:41.193-07:002018-04-02T04:58:41.193-07:00In all Rites in Italy they do not say that all non...In all Rites in Italy they do not say that all non Catholics and all non Catholics need to enter the Church as members for salvation( to avoid Hell) and this is the teaching of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II.<br /><br /><br />APRIL 2, 2018<br />Of course the Church says that there are people in Hell in the present times: the Catechisms and Vatican Council II support Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus<br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/of-course-church-says-that-there-are.htmlCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-72655666802367838892018-04-01T12:05:06.799-07:002018-04-01T12:05:06.799-07:00I dont like to pit one Mass against another.It sti...I dont like to pit one Mass against another.It still is the Sacrifice of Jesus enacted in an un-bloody way. I have attended solemn Masses in Italian and English.Then even when there is a guitar Mass I remain recollected and am aware of where I am.Even at the Neo-Catehecumenal Way Mass it was with great love and devotion that I held the Eucharist in my palm and watched it. This was a long time back. I have not since attended their Mass.<br />Even at the Greek Mass there was a sense of the sacred for me.<br />For me the priests who offer the Traditional Latin Mass or Novus Ordo Mass in Rome are not affirming the dogma EENS and the past ecclesiology. They are also interpreting Vatican Council II as a rupture with the past ecclesiology. <br />If there was a priest who could proclaim the Faith clearly and boldly from the pulpit it would be something.<br />The vast majority of Catholics at all Rites do not have the Faith proclaimed to them.-Lionel Catholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-30473492619312099422018-04-01T11:54:20.414-07:002018-04-01T11:54:20.414-07:00Yes.
There is mathematicaly precision in our doctr...Yes.<br />There is mathematicaly precision in our doctrine.<br />When they are in harmony everything ties up there are no loose ends.Catholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-57441853436666773472018-03-31T23:32:20.655-07:002018-03-31T23:32:20.655-07:00It must be a source of profound consolation for yo...It must be a source of profound consolation for you Lionel that God conforms so strictly to the doctrine taught by Feeney.William Onoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-58427770892344735212018-03-31T22:25:30.751-07:002018-03-31T22:25:30.751-07:00Who are these 'real' liturgists, Tancred. ...Who are these 'real' liturgists, Tancred. Name them and their publications. I wager you won't because you can't. Allegations without evidential proof is just hot air.Frederick Nilesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-82792125871677849612018-03-31T04:38:47.271-07:002018-03-31T04:38:47.271-07:00People who attend the Immemorial Mass are not that...People who attend the Immemorial Mass are not that monolithic. How many people attending the NOM do you know who actually believe what you do in Italy or anywhere for that matter? The vast majority don’t believe it at all and are thoroughly indifferentist and even universalist in their outlooks.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-42412255202423797572018-03-31T03:26:16.062-07:002018-03-31T03:26:16.062-07:00MARCH 31, 2018
Sedevacantism, Traditionalism and L...MARCH 31, 2018<br />Sedevacantism, Traditionalism and Liberalism based on Vatican Council II with the premise is finished : the LOHO(1949) and liberal theologians depended upon an objective error<br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/sedevacantism-traditionalism-and.htmlCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-46119726650971568102018-03-29T02:31:32.519-07:002018-03-29T02:31:32.519-07:00I think the Roman Rite, the Mass in Latin is a con...I think the Roman Rite, the Mass in Latin is a continuation of the Mass in Greek and this makes it the immemorial Mass.The Novus Ordo Mass is a continuation of this Mass of All Ages.<br /><br />So without the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 (LOHO) error Mass in English would have the same ecclesiology as Mass in Greek and Latin.<br /><br />Also without the LOHO error the present ecclesiology of Mass in Latin, will not be a rupture with the ecclesiology of Mass in Latin, during the 16th century.<br /><br />Presently there is no unity in theology and doctrine among those who offer/attend the Traditional Latin Mass.<br /><br />The traditionalists at the St.Benedict Centers, affirm Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus at Mass since there are no known exceptions of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) for them.They reject the LOHO reasosong.<br />At the SSPX Latin Mass they reject Feeneyite EENS and affirm the LOHO reasoning(invsible people are visible in the present times).Similarly for the community FSSP, BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. So there is created two different ecclesiologies and an understanding of salvation. One with and the other wirhout the LOHO reasoning.<br />So the SSPX offers Mass with the new ecclesiology.This is not the Mass of the 16th century where LOHO reasoning did not exist.The missionaries in the 16th century accepted BOD, BOB and I.I as being only hypothetical and speculative . So they could not be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.<br />So in this sense the present Latin Mass offered by Una Voce is not the Mass of All Ages in its ecclesiology.Since Una Voce supports the LOHO reasoning.There is no more an ecumenism of return with their New Theology, Cushingite Theology.This is a rupture with the past.<br />So the ecclesiology of the FSSP and Una Voce Mass is the same as the Novus Ordo Mass.<br /><br />For me there is no change in ecclesiology before and after Vatican Council II since I reject the second part of LOHO, since it contradicts the first part. So the Novus Ordo Mass is also the immemorial Mass of All Ages for me.It is a continuation of the old Rite, which affirmed the traditional exclusivist interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation.-Lionel Andrades<br /><br /><br />Catholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-48001652388129391622018-03-28T12:59:32.363-07:002018-03-28T12:59:32.363-07:00MARCH 28, 2018
Bishop of Porto,Portiugal Manuel da...MARCH 28, 2018<br />Bishop of Porto,Portiugal Manuel da Silva's mistake - liturgy does not determine 'the strict groups' : it is LOHO which decides ecclesiology<br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/bishop-of-portoportiugal-manuel-da.htmlCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-49363785895018516292018-03-28T10:33:01.704-07:002018-03-28T10:33:01.704-07:00Real liturgists know that the Roman Rite is more a...Real liturgists know that the Roman Rite is more ancient than the Greek.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-90303820950275883402018-03-28T09:38:20.130-07:002018-03-28T09:38:20.130-07:00The Bishop is not worried about the Immemorial Lat...The Bishop is not worried about the Immemorial Latin Mass of All Ages or the Immemorial Greek Mass of All Ages but is worried about the exclusivist ecclesiology associated with this Mass.He could also be worried if he knew, that the Novus Ordo Mass could also be interpreted with the old ecclesiology of the Church.But he is not worried about this neither he nor the traditionalists are aware of it.<br />Catholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-20958456993096522442018-03-27T18:03:32.892-07:002018-03-27T18:03:32.892-07:00They should worry about bigger problems like the l...They should worry about bigger problems like the loss of souls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-84541790640634579832018-03-27T17:03:20.839-07:002018-03-27T17:03:20.839-07:00Whatever happens in Portugal is very noteworthy be...Whatever happens in Portugal is very noteworthy because of the significance of the apparitions at Fatima. As a soccer-football fan, I am very aware of the significance of Porto and Braga with Lisbon not so much so. Bishop Linda is just "one more clown" to be met on the road to Emmaus. JBQhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09344181644293746758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-49226167969300392612018-03-27T16:23:09.436-07:002018-03-27T16:23:09.436-07:00Oh my! The poor faithful of Porto. Our Lady said...Oh my! The poor faithful of Porto. Our Lady said that in Portugal--how was it--the faith would not be lost? But with poor shepherds like this, it surely will be a small remnant.M. Prodigalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05598092468839468735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-87436751269841122952018-03-27T13:17:06.988-07:002018-03-27T13:17:06.988-07:00And take get rid of Santorum too.And take get rid of Santorum too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-16521618865576461462018-03-27T10:58:29.914-07:002018-03-27T10:58:29.914-07:00Maybe we should all pray and do penance so that Go...Maybe we should all pray and do penance so that God will have mercy on us and thrust the pedophile pervert demons back into hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-42995482627710991402018-03-27T10:26:54.794-07:002018-03-27T10:26:54.794-07:00"Maybe we bishops and priests should repent b..."Maybe we bishops and priests should repent because we gave room to these strict groups." Yes, please resign and possibly prevent many souls of being led astray.<br /><br />Unbelievable that a Bishop could have the belief that the "Mass of the Ages" is a problem.John F. Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16497490500148126673noreply@blogger.com