tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post4275707869392788259..comments2024-03-28T08:42:07.659-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Francis Signs Unprecedented Document With Sunni ImamTancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-29630899256118622172019-02-07T08:25:16.965-08:002019-02-07T08:25:16.965-08:00No cardinal or bishop supports the St. Benedict Ce...No cardinal or bishop supports the St. Benedict Center. No one is saying that unknown cases of invincible ignorance cannot be objective exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus<br /><br />When Diane Montagna refers to the possibility of being saved in invincible ignorance she means it in a general abstract way only.Since it can only be general and abstract for me.It cannot be a concrete, known case.There is no known Muslim saved outside the Catholic Church.<br />Similarly it could be said that there are no cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance.There were none this year and none last year. This too is a possibility.<br />So just referring to a possibility is meaningless since in this case it can only be known to God.<br />She could have said that all non Catholics need to enter the Church as members with faith and baptism for salvation and there are no exceptions of being saved in invincible ignorance, or the baptism of desire or baptism of blood without the baptism of water.She would be saying all need to enter the Church based on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II, with 'the red not an exception to the blue'.<br />This would be thinking rationally.<br />But if she did say this she would be implying that outside the Church there is no known salvation and there are only Catholics in Heaven.<br />This is the theological and doctrinal position of the St. Benedict Center,New Hampshire, USA.For them according to Vatican Council II ( with the red not being an exception to the blue), all Muslims and other non Catholics with no exceptions are oriented to Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church.<br />The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) and the Diocese of Manchester have told Brother Andre Marie MICM the Prior of the St Benedict Center, that he and the other members of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, cannot legally be called Catholic.<br />So Fr. Zuhlsdorf whom Diane Montagne has quoted in her LifesitesNews report, prudently says that invisible and unknown cases of invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire and the baptism of blood, are objective exceptions to all needing to be Catholic, to avoid Hell.Possibilites here real people in the present times, for him too.<br />There is no cardinal or bishop supporting the St. Benedict Center. No one is saying that invincible ignorance is not an exception to the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. They do not want to be called Feeneyite and so they appease the Left on Islam.-Lionel AndradesCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-53955343906134467242019-02-07T08:21:07.724-08:002019-02-07T08:21:07.724-08:00In Heaven there are only Catholics for Diane Monta...In Heaven there are only Catholics for Diane Montagna and Fr. John Zuhlsdorf ?<br /><br />Diane Montagna says Islam and other religions are not paths to salvation (Dominus Iesus) and I agree with her but is she willing to say that in Heaven there are only Catholics and outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation ?<br />Not likely.<br />Since she would be confused by Ad Gentes 7 ( invincible ignorance) which she has quoted. 1.<br />It is the same with Fr. John Zuhlsdorf cited in her report on LifeSitesNews.<br />They both look at invincible ignorance in isolation as if it is a known person saved outside the Church.She calls it ' a possibility' but for her it would be someone concrete, real and known this year or over the last years.This is her mistake.<br />There is no one as such known this year, last year or over the last 100 years.<br />So why mention invincible ignorance with reference to all needing to enter the Church for salvation(Dominus Iesus).<br />This is a zero case. It does not exist.There is no such person saved in invincible ignorance whom we can know. Zero. Nada. Zilch.<br />So all need faith and baptism for salvation (AG 7, LG 14) and in Heaven there are only Catholics.<br />-Lionel Andrades<br /><br /><br /><br />1<br />FEBRUARY 6, 2019<br />Diane Montagna does not qualify if invincible ignorance is an exception to Ad Gentes 7 saying all need faith and baptism for salvation <br />https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/diane-montagna-does-not-qualify-if.htmlCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-61784065131455921412019-02-06T10:58:10.131-08:002019-02-06T10:58:10.131-08:00More than Islam, the greater threat to Western Civ...More than Islam, the greater threat to Western Civilization, defined as Christendom, is the Popes operational Enlightenment philosophy, all expressing a weltangschuung of Globalism, Transnationalism, Marxism, and Modernism.gmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17137200278308469557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-4716132752474359252019-02-06T07:50:54.677-08:002019-02-06T07:50:54.677-08:00Antipope Bergoglio is intentionally destroying the...Antipope Bergoglio is intentionally destroying the RCC. His statements are all meticulously designed to foster the plan of Antichrist. Not being satisfied with non-Christianity this time, he's promoting pantheism and atheism. American Catholics are fleeing the RCC by the millions. It is simply too embarassing to be a member. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-62044156877422405972019-02-05T14:51:29.593-08:002019-02-05T14:51:29.593-08:00In practice it could be a method to fish out crypt...In practice it could be a method to fish out crypto Muslims who are actually Catholic. I suspect free lunches. But then again the middle eastern countries are waning economically. Time will tell.James Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03601404337397444540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-4062923667137662902019-02-05T12:32:12.374-08:002019-02-05T12:32:12.374-08:00So long as the penalty for conversion is death, an...So long as the penalty for conversion is death, and so long as there is such oppression of Christians in the Muslim world, especially in the Arabia of the Wahabbite al-Saud family, it is grotesque to coddle any of these two-faced Imams. Tayyeb is simply engaging in the long-standing Muslim practice of Taqiiya - saying one thing to gullible Westerners, while saying another to his followers and other Muslims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com