tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post4137365156440697828..comments2024-03-28T02:22:35.857-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Society of St. Pius X Threatens Legal Action Against Friendly Catholic ForumTancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-72822813128602328342012-03-20T06:04:52.367-07:002012-03-20T06:04:52.367-07:00Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Bishop Fellay, Fr.Schmidbe...Tuesday, March 20, 2012<br />Bishop Fellay, Fr.Schmidberger,FSSP,Joseph Fenton seem unaware the baptism of desire is not an explicit exception to the dogma <br />From Rorate Caeli comments on Who is a Traditionalist? <br /><br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/bishop-fellay-frschmidbergerfsspjoseph.htmlCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-63981836420892716292011-07-22T03:24:21.711-07:002011-07-22T03:24:21.711-07:00Thursday, July 21, 2011
SSPX IN HERESY CALLS ATTEN...Thursday, July 21, 2011<br />SSPX IN HERESY CALLS ATTENTION TO HERESY AT ASSISI <br />The following quotation is from the website of the SSPX.<br /><br />FR. FEENEY AND CATHOLIC DOCTRINE<br /><br />A reissue of the article appearing in Verbum, No. 24 (1986), prefaced by the previous Editorial, clarifying the teaching of the Church regarding Baptism.<br /><br />Many of our friends have heard of Fr. Leonard Feeney, and some of them have a great esteem for this priest who fought against the liberal ecumenism by recalling again and again that outside the Church there is no salvation. But, to make his point, Fr. Feeney went so far as to exclude Baptism of desire (and martyrdom) from the means of salvation.<br />Fr.Leonard Feeney like Catholic priests in Rome say there is no baptism of desire that we can know of and that the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says everyone needs to be an explicit member of the Catholic Church for salvation.<br /><br />The Society of St.Pius X claims that the baptism of desire is explicitly known to us and so contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is heresy.It is a rejection of an ex cathedra dogma.In principle as a possibility a non Catholic can be saved with the baptism of desire and this would be known only to God. So it does not contradict the ‘rigorist interpretation’ of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.<br />Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Against the Heresies, p. 216:<br /><br />“Evidently, certain distinctions must be made. Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion. There may be souls who, not knowing Our Lord, have by the grace of the good Lord, good interior dispositions, who submit to God...But some of these persons make an act of love which implicitly is equivalent to baptism of desire. It is uniquely by this means that they are able to be saved.”[Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Against the Heresies, Angelus Press, 1997, p. 216] (Emphasis added)<br /><br />Bishop Lefebvre, Address given at Rennes, France: “If men are saved in Protestantism, Buddhism or Islam, they are saved by the Catholic Church, by the grace of Our Lord, by the prayers of those in the Church, by the blood of Our Lord as individuals, perhaps through the practice of their religion, perhaps of what they understand in their religion, but not by their religion…” [Quoted in Bro. Robert Mary, Fr. Feeney and the Truth About Salvation, p. 213]<br />The above two passages quoted are in accord with the 'rigorist' interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There are those who can be saved with the baptism of desire etc and they are known only to God. There is no explicit or implicit baptism of desire that we can know of. It is always a probability not an actual reality for us. So the dogma stands: everybody needs to explicitly be a member of the Catholic Church with no exception to avoid Hell. <br /><br />SSPX supporters using their assumed interpretation of the founder of the SSPX have been on a constant attack against those who claim there is no baptism of desire. The enemies of the Church could be happy that traditionalists are fighting over a strawman.<br /><br />The Society of St. Pius X website and a book by Fr. Laisney sold by the SSPX Press and advertised on the internet, have also swallowed the above mentioned Zionist interpretation of the dogma, the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and claims of Fr. Leonard Feeney being in heresy.<br /><br />CONTINUED<br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/sspx-in-heresy-calls-attention-to.htmlCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-22434167656794053462011-05-11T21:37:51.499-07:002011-05-11T21:37:51.499-07:00Don't mess with the best.
The SSPXDon't mess with the best.<br />The SSPXVincent of Lerinshttp://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3506.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-24554924557111592512011-05-11T16:11:32.915-07:002011-05-11T16:11:32.915-07:00Threatening your subscribers is not a clever move....Threatening your subscribers is not a clever move. This smacks of cult behaviour which is far from unique in the history of the Society. Property rights are fought to the death, dissident priests and laity (and the odd bishop) are persecuted and the leadership is always right!<br /><br />The moderator of Ignis Ardens encouraged and researched Krahgate with some enthusiasm and this issue was current for months generating an unusually large audience. After the international campaign died down somewhat and, following Father Morgan's belated words on the subject, Ignis Ardens is now back towing the party line with a faulty memory.Wessexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-4731145363932519862011-05-10T07:50:53.173-07:002011-05-10T07:50:53.173-07:00I see that Bishop Fellay's legal representatio...I see that Bishop Fellay's legal representation is threatening a friendly set of individuals with legal action. Is it stupid? Most definitely stupid. Is it vindictive? It sure looks like it.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-5015186993383822852011-05-10T07:38:17.066-07:002011-05-10T07:38:17.066-07:00This is a Blog that does not see the truth. Bp Wil...This is a Blog that does not see the truth. Bp Williamson saw fit to preach on Easter Sunday, never mind the risen Christ, about the HAARP Project as the cause of the Japan earthquake/Tsunami... people are scandalised...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-87923162731963569302011-05-03T00:42:44.406-07:002011-05-03T00:42:44.406-07:00I do not think she is the owner of the forum, just...I do not think she is the owner of the forum, just a moderator.<br /><br />I read what was called the Krahgate Files. There was certainly no slander contained in them. They merely reported publicly verifiable facts, raised questions and requested politely for those questions to be answered for the good of SSPX.<br /><br />Bishop Fellay's threats and use of untrue but emotional 'scare words' such as 'calumny' and 'slander' are undoubtedly propaganda designed for the gallery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-91527802103624149932011-05-02T22:13:14.702-07:002011-05-02T22:13:14.702-07:00The only public slander is that against Bishop Wil...The only public slander is that against Bishop Williamson by the top two within SSPX - describing him as 'uranium' and insinuating that he has Parkinsons disease so that he is not responsible for what he says. Rarely has one come across such slander in the secular world let alone within a religious fraternity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-28291930052834578102011-05-02T12:23:37.229-07:002011-05-02T12:23:37.229-07:00Of course, there are many issues related to Mr. Kr...Of course, there are many issues related to Mr. Krah's curiously high level of influence in managing the affairs of the SSPX and the way he was allowed to treat His Lordship, Bishop Williamson.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-59659925933565628352011-05-02T11:00:52.100-07:002011-05-02T11:00:52.100-07:00This is also not the first "friendly fire&quo...This is also not the first "friendly fire" incident -- cf. the S.S.P.X suing Editions Saint-Remi to prevent them from selling Abp. Lefebvre's complete unedited sermons (http://en.gloria.tv/?media=143129)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-8249653156325085582011-05-02T09:58:08.000-07:002011-05-02T09:58:08.000-07:00There is more to 'Krahgate' than Max Krah ...There is more to 'Krahgate' than Max Krah and Madonna.Bishop Fellay and the Society leadeship have evaded factual questions nor have they allayed concerns of the faithfulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com