tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post173791393565541545..comments2024-03-28T15:32:38.398-07:00Comments on The Eponymous Flower: Commissar Volpi's Credibility --- Judicial Agreement With Manelli Family BurstTancredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-81508216025644156852015-03-01T12:15:17.246-08:002015-03-01T12:15:17.246-08:00Very well stated, Susan!Very well stated, Susan!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-18377032178486922042015-02-24T03:47:48.596-08:002015-02-24T03:47:48.596-08:00Anonymous Feb, 23, 4:25 AM, You say, "I am ju...Anonymous Feb, 23, 4:25 AM, You say, "I am just as guilty as others of keeping the divisions going". I could not disagree with you more with this statement. There are divisions and they were not caused by traditional Catholics, they were caused by those who are enslaved with the Modernist heresy, and in their heresies they falsely accuse us of being the ones causing division only because we oppose error. St. John Paul ll said that when Bishops, Priests etc... are causing damage to the Church we have the right to speak out, at times the obligation. In keeping silent in the face of heresy we become partakers of it, and we will have to answer to God's justice. Can you imagine Christ saying to us, when I and my Church were being defiled and ravaged you remained silent, allowing the least of my brothers to be led astray. Take this as an encouragement to speak out against those who damage the Church with their Modernism and Apostasy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-70062394819635638722015-02-24T00:34:49.180-08:002015-02-24T00:34:49.180-08:00Econe is just down the road.Econe is just down the road.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-13907336303322843202015-02-23T11:49:56.332-08:002015-02-23T11:49:56.332-08:00It does seem rather odd. Is it his own order that...It does seem rather odd. Is it his own order that is paying a salary to him? Does he get free board and lodging as well? Will he not be paying tax on this salary or perhaps they do not have income tax in the Vatican? I would have thought that a Franciscan would get free board and lodging, any proper expense paid and some pocket money to enable him to buy toothpaste or suchlike from time to time.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-1890097860286688792015-02-23T11:45:17.212-08:002015-02-23T11:45:17.212-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-5641320769552039162015-02-23T10:55:18.381-08:002015-02-23T10:55:18.381-08:005,000 euros per month??? He's a Franciscan is ...5,000 euros per month??? He's a Franciscan is he not? How does a monthly income far in excess of what I, as a mid-level employee of a Fortune 50 company, make in any way accord with a vow a poverty? Good grief!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-273732077781184442015-02-23T08:41:20.554-08:002015-02-23T08:41:20.554-08:00Very likely it's not really the person who mad...Very likely it's not really the person who made the first post.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-70788037183877710152015-02-23T07:16:33.936-08:002015-02-23T07:16:33.936-08:00I find the whole self-flagilation for speaking the...I find the whole self-flagilation for speaking the truth a truly bizarre phenomenon, and a total distortion of justice. You are putting truth and lie on the same plane, and giving right and wrong equal respect. There was nothing caustic about your first comment. You were speaking statements of truth that bring injustice and unholy tyranny into the light. That is a good thing. Please people, stop the breast-beating when you speak a truth against evil, and those who place themselves in-league with evil. They are worthy only of derision and exposure. That is an act of justice to the innocent.susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15742800352247658277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-57144470101185640082015-02-23T06:13:45.172-08:002015-02-23T06:13:45.172-08:00Lol, are they true? Do they need to be said? He do...<br />Lol, are they true? Do they need to be said? He doesn't sound reasonable to me. He says that it's no one's business but the order, but I think others are very interested in this, since it has been demonstrably unjust and that other orders so inclined may expect the same treatment. This is especially the case in the light of +Bergoglio's comments about traditionalist seminarians being unbalanced psychologically, which strongly suggests the malignant backdrop against which the destruction of this once flourishing order took place.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-25851856538979638542015-02-23T04:25:17.334-08:002015-02-23T04:25:17.334-08:00I wrote the above response. And then after I sent ...I wrote the above response. And then after I sent it I realized I am just as guilty as others of keeping the divisions going. There are hard feelings on both sides of this issue. And to continue to throw stones at the other side serves no good effect. Today I will pray for those on the other side including Padre Volpi and others. If I express my own hard feelings, it makes me just as guilty as those who hold fast to defending their positions of division. I have followed this situation from the beginning. I have certain ties to the Institute. The whole thing has been heartbreaking. But my caustic comments do not help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-51534719360514765472015-02-23T04:00:12.318-08:002015-02-23T04:00:12.318-08:00Fr. Geiger was a big instigator of the divisions w...Fr. Geiger was a big instigator of the divisions within the Institute going back several years. He himself has admitted publicly to secret meetings, etc. that were against his founders. He is now continuing to defend the indefensible. He has seen the ruin of his own Order and the suffering of many of his brothers but still claims the high road. Amazing. His attacks against 'rad trads' goes back several years and he fostered divisions and disobedience among others. He had a position of authority and trust. And now there is all kinds of sin and disobedience--enough on both sides. There is NO unity. Many must stay with the Institute because they are forced to. A number did get out and the 'powers that be' do their best to not let them find another order or place to live out their holy vocations. Unless something happens--a new pope?--the rest of the Institute will not survive at this time. But one day there will be a revival. All of this is also an attack against The Blessed Mother and in the end she wins out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-2550367721884155812015-02-23T03:45:41.050-08:002015-02-23T03:45:41.050-08:00Ahhh yes, I forgot; protestants like to agenda pro...Ahhh yes, I forgot; protestants like to agenda proof-text.<br /><br />Try this: Who said the following in speaking of others?....<br /><br />"Hypocrites!" (numerous times)<br />"whitewashed tombs!"<br />"brood of vipers!"<br />"Satan!"<br />"blind fools!"<br />"child of hell!"<br />"You serpents!"<br />and as I recall, this Person said these, and more, to the highest priests, scribes and teachers of the law because they were mangling the word of God, plotting to kill the Son of God, and people were going to hell because of them.....(gee, why does all that sound familiar to me?) <br /><br />Grow the hell up....and "judge with right judgment".<br /><br />susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15742800352247658277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-5060830130737405782015-02-23T02:54:37.531-08:002015-02-23T02:54:37.531-08:00Just in case anyone is interested I did have some ...Just in case anyone is interested I did have some exchanges with Father Angelo on his website Maria Victrix but he has declined to allow my last comment where I said he had misread my previous comment wherein I said that all I knew about the alleged misdeeds within the FFI was what I had read in Father Volpi's letter. Fr Angelo did send me an email saying why he had not allowed my comment and I responded. Evidently he feels all this is not our business. <br /><br />For myself I have no knowledge of what has really happened within the Institute but I have seen no evidence to support Father Volpi's case. However what we have seen is the behaviour of Father Volpi. He is still sticking with all his allegations according to Father Angelo. He has had an action for defamation started against him. I see the agreement with the Manellis as a cynical attempt to squash the legal action by buying them off whilst maintaining his accusations. I would have thought that any Judge would regard his actions as an abuse of legal process and a contempt of court if he, Father Volpi, attempts to sue anybody in view of his rejection of the agreement. <br />I would guess that if he has a half-decent lawyer he will be reading some very unwelcome advice.<br />I do not know how things work in Italy but in England the action by the Manellis would terminate with the agreement being read in open court. Unless he wanted a visit from the Tipstaff or the Under-Sheriff's Office he would be well advised to comply with the agreement.<br /><br />Father Volpi claimed in his letter of 18th February that he had entered into the agreement "pro bono Pacis" nello spirito di e fraternità del Serafico"<br /> <br />Well if that is an example of Franciscan fraternity I would put it in the same pigeonhole as Charlie Hebdo's fraternité towards Muslims, Catholics etc. It certainly makes one wonder about the validity of his accusations.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-22285695832458814322015-02-22T18:51:45.240-08:002015-02-22T18:51:45.240-08:00Take a good look at Matthew 5: 22, the bit about c...Take a good look at Matthew 5: 22, the bit about calling your brother 'fool'...etc. Or are you exempted from that part?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-61145838882104332562015-02-22T18:28:25.919-08:002015-02-22T18:28:25.919-08:00....pretty much.....pretty much.susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15742800352247658277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-51039933898021007502015-02-22T15:19:26.682-08:002015-02-22T15:19:26.682-08:00"Volpi is scum."
And by extension (beca..."Volpi is scum."<br /><br />And by extension (because he's who ordered it all), so is Pope Francis.<br /><br />Why is it that no one is blaming him? Volpi is nothing but a messenger. Francis is the real evil.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-52321974845774471272015-02-22T12:26:29.216-08:002015-02-22T12:26:29.216-08:00Diabolical Disorientations...Bishops against Bisho...Diabolical Disorientations...Bishops against Bishops...Priests against Priests. We have all read those comments, now, we are living them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-15352660370602425592015-02-22T12:24:55.529-08:002015-02-22T12:24:55.529-08:00I know the Italian well, but since the agreement d...I know the Italian well, but since the agreement document is hand written, it is difficult enough for me to read it. In my opinion, the term "Manelli family" includes also the brother-in-law of Fr Stefano, whom Volpi doesn't target more than the others in his letter dated dec 8th 2013.jachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17650477732170495698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-50184643997950275192015-02-22T11:47:26.047-08:002015-02-22T11:47:26.047-08:00jac: You are right. It does say that the allegat...jac: You are right. It does say that the allegations against the family are withdrawn so this would extend to all members of the family not just the individual plaintiffs who have brought the action. <br />The agreement lists the plaintiffs who are all called Manelli except for the last - Antonino Allocce (if I have spelt it correctly). Could he be the brother-in-law who would have a different family name?<br /><br />There is no direct reference to the letter of 8th December 2013 but to something happening on 13th December and publication of something on the Institute's official website in January 2014 (3rd or 31st - not clear). Can anyone shed light on this?<br /><br />Going back to the letter of 8th December 2013 his allegations go wider:<br /><br />"It concerns the transfer of the control of movable and immovable goods of the Institute to members<br />of the laity, persons known to be spiritual children or relatives of the Founder, Fr. Stefano M.<br />Manelli, as well as to the parents of various sisters."<br /><br />I wonder what these others will do now in view of all this? Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-91119336403399505972015-02-22T11:19:01.431-08:002015-02-22T11:19:01.431-08:00Nicolas, you are saying it yourself: " The Ma...Nicolas, you are saying it yourself: " The Manelli family were not involved".<br />That means the family in a whole, not even one of his members.jachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17650477732170495698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-89895106977146806092015-02-22T11:14:37.445-08:002015-02-22T11:14:37.445-08:00"Volpi si è messo nei guai".
Volpi has p..."Volpi si è messo nei guai".<br />Volpi has put himself in the crap up to his bloody neck.<br />He has signed a paper in which he acknowledges having lied and slandered. But that is not enough for him: A lie calls another lie. <br />Cardinal Kasper was caught red-handed lying too.<br />Unfortunately these men still look to have the pope's confidence. Sad times for the RCC...<br />Soon or late the scandal will rebound up to Francis... after the FFI order has disappeared. Only this matters for the wolves in sheep's clothes, isn't it?<br />jachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17650477732170495698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-56183650045385438082015-02-22T11:14:34.449-08:002015-02-22T11:14:34.449-08:00It seems a bit disingenuous that since he had to a...It seems a bit disingenuous that since he had to apologize publicly not only on FFI publications, but also in the press itself that he has any right to be surprised that there was publicity.<br /><br />I think I agree with what Nardi is saying that he's really angry about the negative publicity he's receiving as well as the calls for his resignation.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-12092460282335456242015-02-22T11:11:51.112-08:002015-02-22T11:11:51.112-08:00Amazing! Unless someone is into forging official ...Amazing! Unless someone is into forging official documents this looks the genuine thing stamped and certified by the Organisation for Forensic Mediation in Rome. My Italian is rudimentary but it seems to be saying that Volpi is admitting that the 'Manelli Family' were not involved in any of the transactions regarding the property of the Institute. He agrees to pay Euros 20,000 etc. There does not seem to be any confidentiality clause and this looks like what in the U.K. is called an 'office copy' i.e. you go along to the court and on payment of a fee you can get a copy of certain documents in any proceedings before the Court. Unless there is some confidentiality requirement in the legislation governing the mediation service then I cannot see any reason why the Manelli family should not have published it if they did. On the other hand maybe some third party or journalist just asked the service for a copy.<br /><br />A word of caution. Several members of the Manelli family jointly sued Father Volpi presumably claiming that the Manelli family as a whole were involved in the matter. Here he is withdrawing that charge but maybe he is still charging some individual member of the Manelli family such as the founder's brother in law. One would have to examine the document carefully to see whether there is any prominent member of the family who has been left out of the list of plaintiffs. Still if that was the case one would have thought that the document would mention that it did not apply to certain individual members of the family and I cannot see that.<br /><br />Still maybe I have misinterpreted the document as my Italian is rudimentary.<br /><br />I cannot help feeling that Father Volpi is very ill-advised to renege on this agreement and it really does not do him any good to do so.<br />Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-52954560291912404992015-02-22T10:44:34.322-08:002015-02-22T10:44:34.322-08:00Lynda, no, the article clearly states that "t...Lynda, no, the article clearly states that "there is no statement obliging the family Manelli as the complainant in the proceedings."<br />Possibly there was a verbal commitment of the Manelli family to remain discreet in order not to humiliate Volpi a bit more. Anyways this would have been purely formal since soon or late the details of the signed agreement would have leaked to the public.jachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17650477732170495698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4404498638452030181.post-5247083956561292162015-02-22T10:31:12.947-08:002015-02-22T10:31:12.947-08:00Here's a copy of the agreement, signed by both...Here's a copy of the agreement, signed by both parties. Unfortunately, my Italian is very limited. <br /><br />http://www.riscossacristiana.it/newwebsite/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/zzverbale.pdfTancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.com