Thursday, April 19, 2018

Pope's Two New Teachings: All Are Children of God and Atheists Go to Heaven



(Rome) Pope Francis visited the Roman parish of San Paolo alla Croce a Corviale last Sunday and announced two new teachings there.

The tears of little Emanuele

The neighborhood was built between 1975 and 1984 on the outskirts of Rome. This includes the "Serpentone," a gigantic silo shaped building with 1,200 apartments, built by the Office for Social Housing of the City of Rome. The parish was established in 1977, the church in modern style was consecrated in 1983. In 1985, Pope John Paul II elevated it to the titular church of a cardinal priest, whose owner since 2007 has been Oswald Cardinal Gracias, Archbishop of Bombay.
 
A program point of the visit was an encounter with children of the parish. The pope was asked some questions. Emanuele was also allowed to meet the pope. Only a few months ago, the boy had lost his father. When he stood in front of the microphone, he burst into tears and could not speak.
 
Emanuele wept over his father's death, but more because a deeper pain moved him. Pope Francis waved the child to him and said that Emanuele should just whisper in his ear what moved him. The Pope and the child spoke in this way for a few minutes with the exclusion of the microphones. Only them speaking to each other. Then Emanuele returned to his seat and Francis again took the floor for everyone to hear.

Is the father, though he's an atheist, in heaven?

The pope said that the boy is very worried. Although his father had all his children baptized, he was an atheist. Worried about this, if his atheistic father could not go to heaven, Francis answered.
Pope Francis: Would we only cry like Emanuele if we bear suffering in our hearts like him. He cried for his father and had the courage to do it before us all, because in his heart is the love of the Father. I asked Emanuele for permission to repeat his question publicly, and he gave me his consent. That's why I'm repeating it. "My dad died recently. He was an atheist, but had all four children baptized. He was a good man. Is Dad in heaven? "
How nice that a child says of his father, "He was good." It's a beautiful testimony that this man has given to his children, because his children can say, "He was a good man". It is a beautiful testimony of the Son, who inherited the strength of the Father and also had the courage, had the courage to weep in front of us all. If this man was capable of producing such children, then he was really a good man. He was a good man. This man did not have the gift of faith, he was not a believer, but he had his children baptized. He had a good heart. And he has the doubt that his father, because he was not a believer, is not in heaven. Who says who comes to heaven, that's God. But what is the heart of God to such a father? How is it? What do you all mean? ... God has a father's heart. And with a non-believing father, he was able to baptize the children and give them that bravura to the children, do you think that God would be able to keep him away from him? Do you think so? ... loud, with courage ...

All: No!

Pope Francis: Does God forsake His children?

All: No!

Pope Francis: Does God fail his children when they are good?

All: No!
Pope Francis: Emanuele, that's the answer.  God was certainly proud of your father, because it is much easier to have children baptized, if you are a believer than you are not. And certainly God has liked it a lot. Talk to your father, pray for your father. Thank you, Emanuele, for your courage.

The "beautiful words of the Pope"

The Italian media devoted a lot of space to the event and were delighted. The most important newspaper in Italy, Corriere della Sera headlined:
"Pope Francis in Corviale comforts a child:" Your father, though not believing, is in heaven ".
Even the newspaper Il Foglio wrote of "beautiful words of the Pope".



Pope Francis at the meeting with the children.
Did they all misunderstand the Pope? Francis did not say that the father of the child is in heaven, even though he was an atheist.
 
Or did he?
 
Did Francis in the Roman suburban parish apply his special magic formula of communication, with which everyone understands what he wants to say, without having to say it explicitly?
 
Le Cronache di Papa Francesco did not hear in answer to the boy what most media heard, but a "recognition of atheism".
 
Can the serious question of Emanuele really be answered only from the perspective of a child to be comforted? Even in personal conversation and considering the age of the child, the answer would have been shortened and misleading. However, the Pope publicly responded to which the usual media reports followed, "The Pope said ..."  The answer to a specific child in a specific situation becomes a detached statement from the Pope, which can move people around the world and influence them in their thinking and decisions.
 
Le Cronache wrote on the pope's answer:
"Bergoglio is a Jesuit, which is why he puts it in such a way that it is difficult to pin him down. While accusing the devout Catholics of being 'strict' and having 'an answer to everything', it was on Sunday, and not for the first time, that gave the impression of a quick and pleasing answer to everything at hand. With him, it would probably be impossible to have a serious and clear argument about the doctrine. "

Not a word about purgatory, sin and salvation

Emanuele, the child, asked the head of the Church a legitimate question that has its origin in the love of the Father. It is a thoroughly Catholic question, because the concern is concern for the eternal salvation of the Father. The child showed a very clear consciousness. He knows about the atheism of the Father and knows that it contradicts the love of God. That's why he's worried.
 
Pope Francis began his answer as any good catechist would begin. He consoled the child, starting from what the child knew and could tell about the father. What the Father really thought and did is beyond the knowledge of the Pope. For that reason, he did not answer Emanuele with a "Yes, your father is, though incredulous, in heaven," as the media claims.
 
However, from the brief, straightforward question typical of children, Francis asked a whole series of questions that he addressed indirectly to the audience, turning it in one direction and leading to the answer he wanted to put in his mouth. The first answer was certainly the most important one. It is God who "says" who goes to heaven. But then, with broad questions, he turned the ball back and forth several times, so that in the end there seemed to be no other answer than that, though the Pope had not said that Emanuel's father, though an atheist, must be in heaven.
 
Pope Francis has never spoken of purgatory in his pontificate. That day would have been the opportunity. Just as the Pope can not know whether Emanuele's father is in hell - and to say so, would be inappropriate to a mourning child anyway - he can not know directly, nor imply that Emanuele's father, of whom the little child knew that he denied the existence of God, was in heaven, and that directly.

Consolation at the price of misleading?

The comfort of the bereaved is not only an honorable task, but is one of the works of mercy. But also at the price of weighing it in false hopes or even certainties?
 
The Pope could have asked the child if Holy Mass had been said for the Father. In addition, he could have talked about the Purgatory for the poor souls, where those who are saved but still need to be cleansed to gain access to Heaven. This time can shorten the living by their prayer and the sacrifice of Mass intentions and thereby perform great sacrifices of love for the deceased.
 
The Pope could have spoken about the eternal salvation and the necessary conditions for it. One does not go to heaven because one was a "good person" but because one did not die in the state of mortal sin and of course did not reject, reject or even mock God.
 
The Pope could have talked about the meaning of life. About the first of all questions: why did God create me? To know Him, to worship Him, to obey His commandments, and thereby go to heaven. Francis could and should have said a word about atheism. And so the impression had to arise that under the "good pope" Francis that an atheist also goes to heaven.
 
But whom should such misleading benefit?

"People who are not baptized are not children of God?"

Perhaps another, obviously prepared child question on the same day and at the same meeting helps to gain greater clarity. Carlotta, a young girl, also asked Francis a question.
Carlotta: Ciao Pope Francis! When we receive baptism, we become children of God. And the people who are not baptized are not children of God?
Pope Francis: Carlotta, tell me, I'll ask you the other way around: what do you think? The people who are not baptized are they children of God or are they not children of God? What does your heart tell you?
Carlotta: Yes.
Pope Francis: Yes. Now I'll explain. She answered well, she has a Christian nose! We are all children of God. All all. Even the non-baptized? Yes. Even those who believe in other, distant religions that have idols? Yes, they are children of God. The Mafiosi are children of God? ... you are not sure ... yes, even the mobsters are children of God. They prefer to behave like children of the devil, but they are children of God. All, all are children of God, all. But what is the difference? God created all, loved all, and gave all the conscience in the heart to distinguish good from evil. All humans have that. They know, taking was what is good and healthy; even the people who do not know Jesus, who do not know Christianity, all have it in their soul, because God has put it there. But when you were baptized, the conscience of the Holy Spirit entered and strengthened your allegiance to God, and in that sense you became more daughter of God, because you are the daughter of God like all, but also with the power of the Holy Spirit entering. Do you understand, Carlotta? I ask - everyone should answer - Are all people children of God?
Children: Yes!
Pope Francis: The good people are children of God?
Children: Yes!
Pope Francis: The bad people are children of God?
Children: Yes!
Pope Francis: Yes. The people who do not know Jesus and have others, distant religions, worshipping idols are children of God?
Children: Yes!
Pope Francis: The Mafiosi are children of God?
Children: Yes!
Pope Francis: And we must pray that they will return and truly know God. Now no one should answer, but the heart will answer: Who of you prays for the mobsters to convert? Everyone answers in his heart.
Then when we are baptized: Who comes into our hearts? ...
Volume up!
Children: The Holy Spirit!
Pope Francis: Bravo. The Holy Spirit is coming, and this Holy Spirit is letting us have more children of God. He gives us more power to behave like children of God. That's why Saint Paul has a sentence, and I want you to say that sentence to me. "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit who is in you." Why does he say this sentence? Because a Christian, a baptized person who behaves badly, grieves the Holy Spirit who is in us. The sentence is: "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit who is in you". "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit who is in you." Are we going to say it?
Pope Francis together with the children: "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit that is in you".
Pope Francis: Again!
Pope Francis together with the children: "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit that is in you".
Pope Francis: And we children of God, who through baptism have the Holy Spirit, grieve when we behave badly when we commit a sin, the Holy Spirit who is in us. Thanks Carlotta!

The difference abolished by Francis




Carlotta and her question to the pope
In fact, the apostle Paul, mentioned by Pope Francis, in the New Testament refers only to Christians as the children of God and distinguishes them by the baptism to non-Christians. The latter Paul refers as "servants" and "slaves of sin." All men are creatures of God, but only the baptized are children of God. A clear and easy to understand distinction.
 
The non-Christians are, therefore, not children of God, but Pope Francis twists the ball twice in his hands and behold, all people "all, all", "not only the baptized" are suddenly children of God.
 
What is the difference between the baptized and the baptized? All are children of God, but some, the baptized, are "more children of God." With his snazzy way of speaking, last Sunday the head of the Church actually ruined a central biblical, apostolic, and above all, crystal clear distinction in favor of a blurred, ultimately useless substitute.
 
Why?

The message of Francis is pleasing Eugenio Scalfari

If one did not wish to impute the unawareness and naivety of the Church leader, which does not even seem theoretically conceivable vis-à-vis a Jesuit, then one must accept an intention behind this answer.
 
Already in the first controversial " Video of the Pope " of January 2016, all people (in the video were shown Christians, Jews, Muslims and Buddhists) were declared as "children of God" in a syncretistic infusion. It was therefore not a slip by the pope last Sunday. Therefore the message can not be that through baptism one becomes "even more children of God." The real message that Pope Francis wants to spread is the mistaken assertion that all men are children of God.
 
Taking the answer to Carlotta and the answer to little Emanuele, Pope Francis has said two things:
  1. Not only the Christians, but all people, even the followers of any other religions or the Mafiosi, in short, really all are children of God, even if they are not baptized.
  2. Even those who are atheists will go to heaven. The main thing is he was a "good person".
This statement corresponds exactly to the thesis that the atheist Eugenio Scalfari wanted Francis so much to hear, and he put it in his mouth recently and at the same time "eliminated" Hell. The Vatican responded with a denial that was not really one. Now we also know why: because Eugenio Scalfari did not reproduce the words of the pope verbatim, but exactly his thinking. Exactly as Scalfari had always said: He vouches for the authenticity of the statements.
 
It was therefore the Vatican, that sprinkled with a denial, a fog of non-denial and prevented the necessary clarifications, or at least made it difficult.
 
Or did they all get it wrong?

The video which shows the entire parish event, starting with the meeting with Carlotta:
 


The section with Emmanuel:

  Text: Giuseppe Nardi
Bild: Vatican.va (Screenshots)
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
AMDG

30 comments:

John F. Kennedy said...

You know, I used to think the Lutherns didn't have a Pope. I've been proved wrong.

Jesus Christ said...

That entire exchange with the group of children was unnecessary. So the question is, why did it take place? Why did Francis give that performance with his cheerleading squad of children? He is smart enough to know that he was promoting questionable doctrines. He had to know what he was doing. He knows right teaching from wrong teaching.

He wants to change Church doctrines. He is intentionally trying to begin the process of changing what the Church teaches as truth. He wants to be the foot in the door for new Modernist doctrines.

He is evil.

M. Prodigal said...

The children were scripted. The little boy was forced to go up (the priest squeezing his arm). But the pope can continue to speak opposite of these Church teachings but he can NOT change them because they are divine law.

Unknown said...

This religion just gets better and better!

Kim

JBQ said...

"Only the baptized are 'children of God'" according to Paul. So, now Pope Francis rejects Paul? Paul was very strict. In order for the pontiff to liberalize, he definitely has to reject Paul.

Leo D. Lion said...

He thought by now we would be cheering him on with his radical perceptions of tradition coexisting in the church.
He was high stepping it when Obama was president of the US.. And really high stepping it with expectations of Hillary as president of US.
Ohhhh but did he get set back with Trump as US President. The church has been spooked into being quiet on the reality of Hell and Purgatory. Hell has been in the news lately (lol but true) but no one mentions Purgatory...
But sooner or later he is going to "blow a fuse"...

The biggest threat against the Vatican/Rome is the extreme Islamist terrorists... The Pope is a marked man in their sight... no matter how much he tries to warm up to everyone.

Leo D. Lion said...

True,,, no children are running around , with their minds "top heavy" with such questions...

I can see a child saying ,,, my dad just died, we miss him, my mom cries alot and is sad and so are we.. something like that with and ending being please pray for him...

something like that...

or would it have been a disaster for the popey if the kid got to the mic and said my mom and dad go to church every Sunday and holydays.. They teach us to pray and be good and Obey Gods Laws..
OMG sirens would have went off... lol

Courtney Willis said...

Rubbish!Paul does not exclude the non baptized from the title 'children of God. He was a Jew who made Genesis and the accounts of Creation his theological starting point. To quote Scripture selectively is a clear giveaway for the proof texting practices that are rife among fundamentalist evangelicals, writers of papal encyclicals and others who can't think.

Catholic Mission said...

DECEMBER 1, 2017
POPE FRANCIS VIOLATES PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/pope-francis-violates-principle-of-non.html

AUGUST 22, 2017
When the two popes say invisible cases of BOD are visible exceptions to the dogma EENS they contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction and the past magisterium
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/when-two-popes-say-invisible-cases-of.html

AUGUST 7, 2017
Ralph Martin, Robert Fastiggi,John Martignoni,Fr.Stefano Visintin osb indicate Pope Francis has violated the Principle of Non Contradiction : trads and sedes clueless
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/ralph-martin-robert-fastiggijohn.html

Peter Barthelemy said...

And what is in store for those who take the Lord's name in vain?

Leo D. Lion said...

Wow Luky it's not our faith!!!!

Catholic Mission said...

JULY 23, 2017
Pope Francis supports today's Arian-like heresy which is Vatican Council II ( Cushingism)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/pope-francis-supports-todays-arian.html

JULY 22, 2017
Bishop Schneider will not say that Pope Francis has made an objective mistake and violates the Principle of Non Contradiction
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/bishop-schneider-will-not-say-that-pope.html

JULY 23, 2017
Pope Francis uses a false premise to interpret magisterial documents, violates Principle of Non Contradiction and Bishop Schneider and Rorate Caeili ignore it
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/pope-francis-uses-false-premise-to.html

MAY 22, 2017
This is Pope Francis' political speciousness.Cushingism divides. Cushingism creates a new doctrine.New doctrines on salvation and morals is ideology.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/this-is-pope-francis-political.html

Catholic Mission said...

OCTOBER 20, 2017
Pope Francis and Bishop Nunzio fail the test on this 'chart' : first class heresy, automatic excommunication
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/pope-francis-and-bishop-nunzio-fail.html

OCTOBER 25, 2017
For Cardinal Raymond Burke, Michael Matt, John Salza,Joseph Shaw and Deacon Nick Donnelly Pope Francis is not in heresy.He is not a heretic.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/for-cardinal-raymond-burke-michael-matt.html
OCTOBER 24, 2017

Pope Pius IX on Converting Those Outside the Church (Quanto Conficiamur Moerore) - Matthew Bellisario
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/pope-pius-ix-on-converting-those.html
Still no denial from Abp.Guido Pozzo : SSPX must accept Vatican Council II with a false doctrine and the new theology based on an irrational premise
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/still-no-denial-from-abpguido-pozzo.html

OCTOBER 21, 2017
Pope Benedict XVI interprets Vatican Council II, EENS, Nicene Creed, Catechisms and other magisterial documents with an irrational premise to produce a non traditional conclusion
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/pope-benedict-xvi-interprets-vatican.html

OCTOBER 15, 2017
We are in the same Church but the Polish bishops interpret the Nicene Creed, EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism differently
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/we-are-in-same-church-but-polish.html

OCTOBER 14, 2017
We are in the same Church but the two popes and I interpret the Nicene Creed, EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism differently
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/we-are-in-same-church-but-two-popes-and.html

OCTOBER 10, 2017
CDF Doctrinal Commentary – Professio fidei supports heresy approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/cdf-doctrinal-commentary-professio.html

SEPTEMBER 26, 2017
Amoris Laetitia supports a mortal sin in morals and the 63 scholars like the two popes, support a mortal sin of faith
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/amoris-laetitia-supports-mortal-sin-in.html
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JANUARY 27, 2018
Pope Francis changes doctrine when he chooses the irrational column to interpret Vatican Council II : Protestants redeemed ( with graphics)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/pope-francis-changes-doctrine-when-he.html

Anonymous said...

What happened to the entire video? All I can find is that of the little Emanuelle who looks like he's crying out of fear -- not mourning.

Tancred said...

I thought quoting scripture was rife among the Church Fathers and Saints? It's modernists who like to impose their totalitarian and slave morals on religion.

Tancred said...

Thanks for spamming the site with citations from yours which no one reads.


Dan said...

So what does one do when the Church is no longer Catholic? I'm literally at the point that I don't even want to support whatever THIS is by going to Mass.

Catholic Mission said...

It's relevant to the subject. Instead of me repeating it why not just post the links I thought.

Anonymous said...

Find a TLM (SSPX/ICK/FSSP).

Anonymous said...

Note to Scalfari: No one can eliminate Hell. And once God creates something, He does NOT annihilate it.

Agricola said...

Just like a stray dog pissing on every lamp post he comes across.
Try an electrified fence, Lionel.

Catholic Mission said...

Dan
The Catholic Church has taught outside the Church there is no salvation. This is a teaching of the Church confirmed at Vatican Council II(AG 7) and the Catechism(1257,845,846), when interpreted rationally.
So whatever may be the pressure on a pope, from whichever lobby, the truth of the faith does not change.
So go for Mass in any Rite since the basic doctrines of the Church have not changed.The Catholic Church has the superiority and exclusiveness in salvation.
Most people are on the way to Hell since they die outside the Catholic Church without 'faith and baptism'(Ad Gentes 7).All non Catholics who die today will be going to Hell since they die without Catholic faith and the baptism of water, without being members of the only Church Jesus founded.
So let the ecclesiastics and the popes say what they want, Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow(Heb.13:8). Catholics are the new people of God, the new Chosen People( Nostra Aetate 4).In HEaven there are only Catholics who have lived the Gospel according to the traditional doctrines of the Church -Lionel

Agricola said...

And Fido leaves another marker by cocking up the leg and giving another lamp post a spray.

Catholic Mission said...

Agri:
When the stray dog has found that Special Bone he wants to share it with all, especially the domesticated and controlled pets. He has found the treasure in the field that makes the man sell everything to buy, he has found the pearl of great price. In wanting to share it he understands that at times, it will be like throwing pearls before swine.-Lionel

Catholic Mission said...

Dan
You can see how much people hate to read the truth about Vatican Council II affirming the old ecclesiology of the Church.All these years they were fooling us into believing that Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition.

Even Maike Hickson and Steve Skojec did not know on the blog 1Peter5.They posted "Points of Rupture" of the Second Vatican Council II with the Tradition of the Church - a Synopsis ( April 13,2018. Blog 1Peter5) 1
Then I wrote that there was an error in six points in that Synopsis. They were clearly not a rupture with Tradition.While the other points were open to interpretation.
This is all new material on my blog for Maike Hickson and Steve Skojec.They cannot comment either way for or against.Maike Hickson can also get no help from the cardinals and bishops at the Vatican.
Vatican Council II for me is in harmony with the past exclusivist ecclesiology, extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the missionaries in the 16th century, the Syllabus of Errors and an ecumenism of return.It is not a rupture with the Catechisms of Pius X and Trent.
Again. They cannot show me where I am wrong and neither can they agree with me.
If they refer to 'the official policy' on Vatican Council II of the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) I would say the same observation and they would agree with me i.e "There are no physically visible cases of the BOD,BOB and I.I in 2018" and " LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, NA 2, UR 3, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases ".
So when they agree that "There are no physically visible cases of the BOD,BOB and I.I 2018" and " LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, NA 2, UR 3, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases " how can Vatican Council II be a rupture with Tradition?
They were following the 'official policy' of the SSPX and the liberals, which is based on an irrational inference.
Every year they keep repeating the same view.It's Paolo Pascualucci, Romano Amero, Mons.Brunero Gherardino, Bishop Bernard Fellay, Cardinals Kasper, Koch and Marx. They will not comment when I keep repeating "There are no physically visible cases of the BOD,BOB and I.I 2018" and " LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, NA 2, UR 3, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases " how can Vatican Council II be a rupture with Tradition?
For them to start thinking we probably need a lightening bolt from Heaven.-Lionel Andrades


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APRIL 14, 2018

This imporant point was overlooked by Paolo Pasqualucci, Romano Amerio and Msgr. Brunero Gherardini
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/this-imporant-point-was-overlooked.html

APRIL 15, 2018
Six of Pasqualucci's 'distinct points of rupture with the Tradition of the Church in the texts of the Vatican II documents' are not a rupture
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/six-of-pasqualuccis-distinct-points-of.html

APRIL 15, 2018
The interpretation of Paolo Pasqualucci, Romano Amerio and Msgr. Brunero Gherardini is irrational it can be seen in the text of the blog 1Peter5 : They misinterpreted hypothetical cases in Lumen Gentium, Unitatitis Redintegratio and Nostra Aetate as being objective people saved outside the Church.This was a mistake
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/the-interpretation-of-paolo-pasqualucci.html
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Agricola said...

The rabid Fido can't help himself. A whole life spent laying down his identity marker by pissing on posts.
Go chase some cars.

Agricola said...

It's still dog pee no matter how much you deodorize it, Lionel. You're the only one around not comprehending that.

Tancred said...

He’s not as far wrong as you. At least he’s sincere, wholesome and well-intentioned. He just hasn’t explained why so many people, including yourself, don’t give a damn what’s written in Vatican II just as long as they get their kicks.

Agricola said...

He's a fruit basket and you know it.

Josie said...

"He’s not as far wrong as you. At least he’s sincere, wholesome and well-intentioned."

Amen, Tancred....Amen.

This 'Agricola' chap is a real nasty piece of work, no?

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