Sunday, July 2, 2017

Cardinal Müller Mostly Denies Conflict Between Himself and Pope

Edit: it's worth noting that the Pope had a personal grudge against the Cardinal's friend, one of the originators of Liberation Theology, the Peruvian Gutierrez.

Cardinal Müller explains to the "Allgemeine Zeitung" that the Pope told him that he wanted to limit the term of office to a five-year term, "and I was the first person to do it."

Mainz (kath.net) "There were no differences between me and Pope Francis." This was stated by Gerhard Ludwig Cardinal Müller in conversation with the "Allgemeine Zeitung". Rather, the five-year term as the prefect of the Congregation for the Congregation of the Congregation expired. It is customary that these office times should be extended, but Pope Francis decided otherwise. Müller, who is currently in Mainz, told the Allgemeine Zeitung that the Pope had informed him that he wanted to limit his term of office to a five-year term, "and I was the first person to do this." Müller said he did not expect this decision, however, according to the newspaper, he seemed "very relaxed".

The Pope had not given him any further justification, and even Müller was not aware of any reasons. Thus there was no quarrel over "Amoris laetitia," although the opinions were not identical in all respects. Müller only regretted, telling "Allgemeine Zeitung" that the Pope had dismissed three competent employees a few weeks ago.

Archivfoto Cardinal Müller Archivfoto Cardinal Müller (c) Markus Gehling / kath.net
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
AMDG

30 comments:

JBQ said...

It is really a surprise that Muller is a close personal friend of Gutierrez. Muller was appointed by Ratzinger in 2012. The story that Benedict believed in Liberation Theology therefore is not an idle one.----The fairy tale that Francis did not believe in Liberation Theology is just that. The story in this thread of Bertone criticizing Muller is eye opening. As Secretary of State under Ratzinger, he wrote the revised book on The Third Secret. If you connect the dots, Benedict is becoming more and more linked to all of the turmoil. ----He was supposed to be JPIIs "Rottweiler". He went away with nary a whimper and will not speak out against Bergoglio and his heretical statements in "Amoris Laetitia". Meanwhile, the implosion of the faith continues and accelerates in the name of world socialism.

Tancred said...

He wasn't Benedict's first choice, and it was also at this time that the team and approach to the SSPX changed dramatically from "come as you are" to "we need some unacceptable conditions dating from 1974." I think it was at that point that the administration of the papacy was mostly stripped away from Benedict and handed to others who were going to manage the transition to a more modernist approach.

None the less, Müller proved not to be entirely amenable to Bergoglio, or hostile to the SSPX.

N.D. said...

The Faithful have a right to have our Holy Father moved to a safe haven so that we can ask him why he has not spoken out against The Great Apostasy that is being exposed.
Liberation Theology is consistent with communism, not Catholicism.

Anonymous said...

And there was great confusion among them....

JBQ said...

"Mostly stripped away from Benedict and handed to others who were going to manage the transition to a more modernist approach". If this included a move to Bergoglio by name, then there is a big problem. One of the rules of the conclave is that each voter will pray to be inspired by the Holy Spirit without interacting with other voters. So much for that "fairy tale" and we now have a cardinal bragging that it be so.

Tancred said...

As we know the old liberal Cardinals of the St. Galen Group were conspiring in advance.

Peter W said...

Just as the cabal of sectional interests gathered and planned for the 'election' of JP II and Ratzinger/Benedict and the rest and the rest....

N.D. said...

Peter W., there is no evidence of a cabal gathering to plan for the election of Pope John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI.
No doubt the cabal was well aware that prior to being elected pope, Jorge Bergoglio, condoned certain same-sex sexual relationships as long as they did not include children and were not called marriage and, thus, according to Jorge Bergoglio, were private, and did not affect society.
Prior to being elected pope, Jorge Bergoglio denied the Sanctity of the marital act. To deny the Sanctity of the marital act, is to deny that God, The Most Holy And Undivided Blessed Trinity, Is The Author of Love, of Life, and of Marriage. To deny The Divinity of The Holy Trinity, is to deny Salvational Love, God's Gift of Grace and Mercy, which is an act of apostasy.



Peter W said...

ND, what evidence do you have to support your allegations and what do you intend to do about them anyway?

Sean Mercer said...

Mueller stayed long enough to position himself as a centrist in the next Conclave.

JBQ said...

@Peter W: Facts belie your version. In 1978, Cardinals Benelli and Siri were locked and the conclave turned to JPII as a compromise. In '58 and '63, the story is that Siri was elected and forced to abdicate. As Siri related before his death in '89, there were a large number of irregularities within each conclave. Within the conclave is one thing. Massive planning beforehand or contact outside the conclave is another. In '58, someone else than J23 was elected because of the white smoke explained as an accident.----The Holy Spirit is supposed to elect the pope. So much for that modern fairy tale.

JBQ said...

@N.D.: "Amoris Laetitia" would appear to support your belief.

JBQ said...

@Peter W: Prayer would be a good place to start.

N.D. said...

Jorge Bergoglio's own words on page 117 of his book, On Heaven and Earth, where he denies the Sanctity of the marital act. Amoris Laetitia is consistent with the belief of those who deny the Sanctity of the marital act.
The election of Jorge Mario Bergoglio is not valid.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/canonlaw/adtucans.htm

Truth will not contradict The Truth. Every element of Truth serves to complement and thus enhance the fullness of The Truth.

God's Truth is mighty, and it shall prevail."


"It is about the marriage", in Heaven and on Earth.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MlANWgyK2PY


It is Through, With, and In Christ, in the Unity of The Holy Ghost, that Holy Mother Church exists.

One bridegroom, one bride, on earth.

One Bridegroom, One Bride, (One Holy Mother Church), in Heaven.


To deny the sanctity of the marital act, which is Life-affirming, and Life-sustaining, and can only be consummated between a man and woman, united in marriage as husband and wife, is to deny that God, The Most Holy And Undivided Blessed Trinity, Is The Author of Love, of Life, and of Marriage, and thus deny Salvational Love, God's Gift of Grace and Mercy.

The denial of The Unity Of The Holy Ghost (Filioque), is the source of all heresy; There Is only One Word of God, One Truth of Love Made Flesh, One Lamb of God Who Taketh Away The Sins of The World, Our Savior, Jesus The Christ, thus there can only be One Spirit of Perfect Love Between The Father and The Son, Who Proceeds from both The Father and The Son, in The Ordered Communion of Perfect Complementary Love, The Most Holy And Undivided Blessed Trinity.

"Our Lady was the one who prevailed on her Son to work His first miracle at Cana in Galilee. She is still the one, through whose intercession He wants to perform miracles now, on earth, in our day. But there is one condition: We who have the faith, must believe. And we who have the grace, must use it to live lives of heroic virtue." Father John Hardon

Our Lady of Fatima, Destroyer Of All Heresies, Pray for us!

"And he said to me: Write: Blessed are they that are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith to me: These words of God are true."

May Our Lady's Immaculate Heart Triumph, sooner, rather than later:
https://lifepetitions.com/petition/consecrate-russia-to-the-immaculate-heart-of-mary-petition

N.D. said...

The Faithful have a right to know the truth about what is going on in the Vatican.

http://plinthos.blogspot.com/

Tancred said...

God's permissive will?

EmitFlestiKY said...

complete bs. Francis is devilish

Peter W said...

Apart from the devout aspirations and invocations, what are you going to do about Jorge Bergoglio/ Pope Francis' alleged heterodoxy?

john said...

Don't forget, Benedict held heretical beliefs, was one who believed the "hell may be empty" b.s., and aditionally, expressed his belief in a dual Papacy. He was one of the main players during the VII Council. Given those facts, it's not of the greatest surprise he isn't vehemently opposing the current debacles coming from the Vatican.

Tancred said...

Do you hold St. Augustine's Manichean beliefs against him, too?

N.D. said...

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2015/can-pope-heretic

Peter W., a Faithful Catholic is obligated to resist a pope whose election cannot possibly be valid because prior to the election he had excommunicated himself from Christ's One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

Tancred said...

A degenerate like you probably puts no stock in the life of piety, and of course children. If you have children, I'd be surprised if they even speak to you.

Peter W said...

That'll make you feel much better for a minute or two, I'm sure, Tancred, but the question goes unanswered: what is the tormented ND going to do about the charges of heterodoxy against Pope Francis?

Anon said...

John, it is standard Catholic doctrine that there is a Hell, but the Church does not teach that there is an human soul there as it is beyond the competence of the Church to do so.

Tancred said...

I just answered the question... what Faithful Catholics have done for centuries. It might not be like a CTA agenda, pushing the progressive agenda of the hour and craving political and economic power, but those Catholics will be a lot happier in their families and their trust in Our Lady and Christ than the vestigial elderly CTA crowd is in its giant paper maché puppet political activism.

Peter W said...

ND, again, what are you going to do about your allegations of Francis' de facto invalid election?
You would appear to be, with the exception of a very few people, standing alone on that issue. Even the SSPX don't question his legitimacy as Pope which leaves you swinging in the wind, no?

Tancred said...

He's doing the same thing you're doing, except he's doing something that actually has a basis in historical Christianity, as opposed to you and your CTA party's championship of sodomy, pederasty and other forms of degeneracy.

Peter W said...

My suspicion of those groups promoting sodomy, pederasty 'and other forms of degeneracy' range a great deal more widely than the little crowd you single out.

Tancred said...

Oh, Nambla?

Peter W said...

Whatever that is, Tancred, it seems you are well acquainted with it (them?) that it's ringing your chimes pretty loudly.

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