Thursday, October 17, 2013

"No Catholic Likes to Criticize the Pope, But We Could no Longer RemainSilent" -- Interview with Palmaro and Gnocchi

(Milan) This  9th of October, Philosophy of Law Professor Mario Palmaro and journalist Alessandro Gnocchi published this in the daily newspaper "Il Foglio", a tough but clear-cut criticism of the pontificate of Pope Francis up to now ( see separate report  in German). A text which has been interpreted as a "charge" and "admonition" of the Pope. The article caused a stir, found much approval, but  fell off the rails because of its "too hard" criticism. Not only that, even on the day of publication, both were terminated after ten years of collaboration with Radio Maria Italy. Program Director, Don Livio Fanzaga, justified the drastic decision because criticism of the Pope is "incompatible" to the position of a facilitator of Radio Maria.The station had "clear principles": it  is "loyal to the Pope and his teaching and his pastoral guidelines". So it had been under John Paul II and Benedict XVI., and it has been also under Francis. The daily newspaper "Libero" gave an interview to the two Catholics fired.
Let's start with the article: What the Pope has said or done, that two Catholic journalists don't like?
There are two problematic aspects: form and content. Francis adopted a behavior and a style  that is leading to the unraveling  of the papacy in its formal structure, which tends to lead towards a  dissolution of the Pope to one bishop among many, and not the "sweetness of Christ on earth", of which Saint Catherine of Sienna speaks. 

At the level of content not only ambiguity is found in the interviews of the Civiltà Cattolica and the Repubblica, but objective philosophical and doctrinal errors. 
We speak to each other as fellow journalists: We discuss the classic case of a non-message. Here are two baptized Catholics who have heard for months what the Pope says and for months experienced discomfort, while that's obviously what they hear  are very large steps away from what the doctrine says. At the end, after all, it is their job to write and comment, write and comment on them. Thus, it provides not only a basic rule of information, but also the Church law. The letter to Scalfari, the interview with Scalfari, the interview with the Civilta Cattolica , are only the most recent, glaring examples. They went around the world, they led to calls for revolution, they amazed thousands upon thousands of Catholics, and thus souls, and no one has something to say? 
In contrast, there is a unanimous  choir of jubilation, extending to certain conservative Catholics like Enzo Bianchi, Hans Küng to the open church haters like Pannella.
You have criticized the interview granted to Eugenio Scalfari. The interview was not right or the interviewer?
The choice Eugenio Scalfaris is unprecedented and leaves many Catholics stunned. He is not only a Laicist or a non-believer, but a historical antagonist of catholicity. The daily La Repubblica is the symbol of a radical chic culture that has made ​​divorce and abortion the supporting pillars of a new nihilistic society in which there is no room for Christ and the Sacraments. It would have been otherwise had Scalfari to met him in a discreet way to talk with a view to his own good and in the hope of his conversion.
In connection with the Pope's interview Civilta Cattolica, you say that it puts the propositions of the  teaching on abortion and mercy in opposition. What does that mean?
The first form of charity is the truth. The good doctor does not conceal from the patient the severity of his illness, in order  that he can cure it. God wants to forgive us  ceaselessly, but he expects us to repent, to acknowledge it, that we have sinned. A church that is silent on  morality, not clashing with the world, it would be lacking in charity toward sinners. It is easy to say that the 300 dead off Lampedusa  is "a shame". Much harder it is to say that 300 aborted children is a far greater shame.
And for this and other reasons, you have the "Normalists" criticized the Catholics who, in contrast to the secular press wish to realize a revolution against the Church's Magisterium. But what has changed in reality?
We have a very simple reason for why we describe these as Normalists. These gentlemen do in six months none other than to conceal the errors of Pope Francis: the conscience of ethics, bioethics, to the religious life. With all respect to good will and good intention, they do enormous damage, because they - by saying it is all quite normal and there had been no change, and  say there is catholicity where it does not exist - with an end to ease the bare statements of the Pope as Catholic. These poor ones are given the illusion, that the media is moderately stronger than Bergoglio and think that their subsequent corrections reach those addressees. In reality they do not understand anything about how the machinery of mass media works today. They are not able to correct the Pope, but the Pope is the one who absorbs it.
But even if the Pope should make un-Catholic statements, then why do the Normalists do these things as if they don't see them at all?
Because the focus of the problem is no less than the Pope. The proper way Catholics see him is as the leader of the Church through history and it would never actually have to criticize. To make it more understandable: if the interview in the Civiltà Cattolica had been by a theologian or even a bishop, it would have long since been criticized in all parts were not fitting.
But aside from the interviews haven't you also criticized the interpretation of the Pope to the Second Vatican Council. Is not that too harsh criticism?
We stick to the facts: With the Second Vatican Council, the Church openly declared to be open to the world and to want to respond to its expectations. A revolution that has produced their results in these decades: the seminary have emptied themselves, in many [probably most] of them un-Catholic teachings are common, and are even professors' chairs, such as desired by Carlo Maria Martini, to be given to unbelievers.
You have portrayed Bergoglio also as having an exaggerated feeling with the mass media. Are you not thinking that it rather strengthens the image of the Church?
For this purpose, the answer is always McLuhan: The media creates an illusion that is the facsimile of the Mystical Body, and which he calls "a stunning appearance of the Antichrist."
But yesterday [11 October 2013]  the Pope insisted in his homily to the fact that the devil is a reality and not a metaphor and said, "Whoever is not with Jesus is against Jesus, there are no half-measures". Does not that contradict your image of a "progressive Pope"?
During these months, Pope Francis has said many things Catholic. But that's normal: he is the Pope. In our article we have only compared what Francis Pope says about conscience with what Pope John Paul II in the Encyclical 1993 Veritatis Splendor wrote. Well, one says the exact opposite of the other, and we think that no matter how convoluted a turn of  brain, you can't say that they are basically saying the same thing. No one has commented on what we have written. No one has refuted us even a single line. A friendly gentleman told us publicly even to go to confession. [LOL] Of course this gentleman does not know that that has already happened, we said these things in the confessional and the confessor received the answer that he thinks exactly the same, but he can not say it. This gentleman should also know how many letters and phone calls we have received from Catholics who simply could not take it any more and thanked for what we have written.
These considerations have gotten you fired at Radio Maria. Was this decision to avoid this adventure, or had you already factored it in before?
We had thought about it, but we could no longer remain silent. We were friends with Father Livio Fanzaga before this incident and are there even now. He is the program director and he determines the line. If this line specifies that you must not ever criticize the Pope, when he talks about football, then two such as we obviously out of place. We're also allowed to say that we do not share this line. You can not stifle the intelligence and can not censor more than legitimate questions from the outset. That does the Catholic world  no good and it does the Church no good. If something creates a certain bitterness, then the fact that the call came after ten years of working two hours after the article appeared, without even a moment to think about it. Ten years in which we had the freedom to say whatever we felt it necessary even about hot topics. This rashness hurts.
Do you think that this expulsion was decided somewhere else?
That one would have to ask Father Livio, who is a good priest and a good man.
However, can you stay at a Catholic station and yet criticize the Pope?
Of course, provided that the criticism is not contrary to the teaching of the Church. If Paul of Tarsus had not criticized the first pope, then we Catholics today would be circumcised, because Saint Peter wanted to raise the standard. If Saint Catherine had not rebuked the Popes, the Pope would still be sitting in Avignon Pope today.
The Pope seeks dialogue with many people with various militant atheists. You can expect his phone call? That he would like to hear the reasons of two staunch Catholics and perhaps intervened to get you back  broadcasting on the radio?
We think that it would be much better if the Pope dedicated himself to his office: to encourage his flock in the true faith, the Catholics due again that they know the catechism and the Doctrine of the Faith, and to work for it, so that those who are far away are converted.
Introduction / Translation: Giuseppe Nardi
Image: Una Fides
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com



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42 comments:

  1. Yes, St. Thomas wrote: "if the faith were endangered, a subject ought to rebuke his prelate even publicly," charitably, of course. See this.

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  2. Stop at once! Shut up! How dare you insinuate that a Pope could possibly be wrong about anything! I'm plugging my ears now!

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    1. I trust you're being factitious. A pope is infallible only as he solemnly declares doctrine pertaining to faith and morals. While we regard him with respect at other times as well, we are free to disagree with him on prudential matters.

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    2. No! You lie! Radtrads are Protestants!

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    3. Infallibility protects everything a pope says? If you think "radtrads" are Protestants, please read Pius XI's Mortalium Animos, where he condemns today's kind of ecumenism.

      (http://www.ewtn.com/library/encyc/p11morta.htm).

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    4. I think you are not only judgmental , but also hopelessly blind to reality. Indeed , none are so blind as those who do not want to see. Turn away from your religion of papalatry and return to the true Catholic Church.

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    5. Yeah, well, I'm going to report you all to the National Catholic Register. And then they might do a blog post on you!

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    6. Okay, I'm doing it right now! Expect a Catholic Answers show about you soon! And then nobody will read your blog anymore, Protestant radtrads!

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    7. Oh, dear! I hope Drone doesn't tell Mark Shea, then Tancred will really be in for it! :)

      Lorra

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    8. You're in big trouble now Lorra!

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    9. You could tell Fr. Angelo Geiger of the FFI; he has a thing for rad trad protestants....

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    10. What an oxymoron to suggest traditionalists are Protestants. Radical traditionalism recognizes the anti-Protestant truth that truth never changes. As a reflection of the mind of God, truth is eternal.

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  3. What is so depressing, so terrible, is that so few knowledgeable and sincere Catholics are speaking the truth about objective errors by the Pope that have been published worldwide, and are being used by the enemies of the Church in their attacks on the Faith, on the Natural Law, and on those who uphold them. Are these, who know the Pope has said and done fundamentally wrong things, all intimidated into culpable silence, or has something come over them to render them stupid in this regard? And then there are all those normally intelligent Catholics who are doing mental contortions in an embarrassing attempt to rationalise the irrational. Why are there so few continuing to speak the truth after Pope Francis, as they did before? I say thank you to these honest and rational journalists for upholding truth, reason, and the unchanging truths of the Holy Catholic Church, and her Founder, the Ultimate Truth. I say thank you to these two men. Perhaps, they will give courage to others.

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  4. God Bless these two journalists for having the courage AND charity to speak the truth about the current Pontiff!

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    1. This interview is very helpful to me. I have been struggling mightily with what to think about all of the controversial and often seemingly wrong things the Pope has been quoted as saying. I have feared criticizing our Holy Father and wondered if much of the confusion has come from the press twisting his words. But he has not corrected some of the more serious ones . I guess I shall just pray mightily for him and our holy Catholic Church.

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  5. This present Pope is a radical liberal. He has no respect for the Papacy, or Catholic tradition.
    He has recently called for an Extraordinary Synod on Marriage for next year. He has already appointed one of the post progressive and radical of the Italian bishops, Bruno Forte, to an important preparatory position as Secretary of the Synod. This does not speak well of the Pope.
    Should the Extraordinary Synod participating bishops next year rally for a relaxation of the traditional Catholic rules regarding marriage, and especially Holy Communion for those who are divorced and re-married, I think that the enormous groundswell of opposition to this liberal Pope from traditional and faithful Catholics should be translated into action in two ways:
    1). orthodox, conservative,traditionalist CAtholics should leave the established Vatican II Church en masse and join the SSPX and other traditionalist groups and movements. We should also continue to write and speak out against Pope Francis and his agenda of radical liberalism.
    2). Just as Benedict XVI was basically forced to resign by those opposed to him, we who are opposed to Pope Francis and his radical liberal actions, words, appointments and agenda should mount a groundswell of opposition to Francis and his associates and pressure this "Pope" to resign himself. If enough people speak out calling for his resignation, I think it would be a tremendous surprise and humiliation for the Vatican and the Vatican II Church and Francis would be forced to step down.
    Then perhaps there would be another conclave and we would this time receive a Catholic as Pope !!

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    1. I don't know what the Marriage Synod will be about, I imagine they will talk about getting young people to get married and not live together first. I also think they might talk about people getting along with eachother (husband and wife) and getting along with in-laws, helping out both families, etc. etc. I don't think our Pope is that liberal, please give him time- he is working very hard it appears to me. I like him. Sorry you don't. Hang in there. Love and prayers to you and readers of this blog.

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  8. This pope is the best pope so far that champion the atheist, homosexual and abortionist agenda. He could be one of those Bella Dodd said the Freemasons and Communists sent to the seminary. I f he is, then what a termite this man is. Makes me wonder if the Holy Ghost still reside in the Vatican.

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    1. YES- the Holy Ghost IS still in the Vatican preventing Francis from sitting on the papal throne and further mocking God with his modernist insolence.

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    2. Oh, for heaven's sakes!

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  9. Some of you may appreciate the alleged private revelations of a woman going by the name Maria Divine Mercy. See what you think.

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    1. FALSE- stay away from any of these. They are all of the multitude of false prophets which will flood the earth in the end times to confuse and lead astray. This nutcase is telling everyone to follow the Pope no matter what, implying that those who don't and leave will be the evil ones. DON'T say her prayers, and DON'T accept her "seal of God." The light she hears from is a dim imitation.

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    2. Anonymous, you are mistaken about the message being to follow Pope Francis no matter what. Quite the opposite is the case. The messages are saying that Pope Francis is the false prophet and that he will institute changes in the Mass that will make it invalid.

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    3. Michael Smith, tell Maria Divine Mercy that she is almost fifty years too late, according to some who already thought that (an invalid Mass) in the sixties. Has she anything original to say?

      Lorra

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    4. Lorra, I understand your skepticism, and often times it is wise to maintain that, however, one would also be wise to listen to the testimony first and then make a judgment. Why don't you take a prayerful look at the messages and see how your heart responds.

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  10. Ok, Ok, the Pope is a nice guy...BUT...he doesn't know his ABCs of Catholicism. I believe he fell asleep in grade school during Catechism Class and woke up during the Cataclysm Class of the Second Vatican Council. Bring us a Pope like John the Baptist today when the world needs him more than ever-!!

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  11. A good interview and the integrity of these journalists shone through. Does anyone have a link to an English translation of their original article?

    Speaking of the NCR, as someone did earlier, I have visited there recently. Unbelievable for so Catholics to be saying some of the things they are! And the abuse if one attempts to correct them.

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  12. Say. Is that man that was interviewed married? If not, maybe he would like to be the pope. Sounds like he would do a good job since he has it down pat what a pope is supposed to do:

    "We think that it would be much better if the Pope dedicated himself to his office: to encourage his flock in the true faith, the Catholics due again that they know the catechism and the Doctrine of the Faith, and to work for it, so that those who are far away are converted."

    Lorra

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  13. I'm wondering how long this would last on Catholic Answers if I put a link to it?

    Lorra

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    1. About as long as it would take you to type it.

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  14. I like Pope Francis, but for me, his pontificate may be even more disastrous than John Paul II's, and I worry it'll get even worse. May this quotation is about it?

    "I saw many pastors cherishing dangerous ideas against the Church. . . . They built a large, singular, extravagant church which was to embrace all creeds with equal rights: Evangelicals, Catholics, and all denominations, a true communion of the unholy with one shepherd and one flock. There was to be a Pope, a salaried Pope, without possessions. All was made ready, many things finished; but, in place of an altar, were only abomination and desolation. Such was the new church to be, and it was for it that he had set fire to the old one; but God designed otherwise."
    --from Life and Revelations of [Ven.] Anne Catherine Emmerich, Vol. 2, pp. 352-353

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  15. Is the Pope Italian? Is the Pope Catholic?

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  16. The Pope is a hypocrite by scathing everyone that disagrees with him even lifelong faithful Catholics. I believe he is a closet poof and waiting for him to come out.

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  17. St. Francis of Assisi stripped himself naked -- and they thought he was crazy, but he was a saint. I am happy to think that the critics of Pope Francis will end up feasting on humble pie.

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    1. i won't be holdin muh breath

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